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	<title>Comments on: Cutting Off Your Limbs</title>
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		<title>By: TimK</title>
		<link>http://www.wccc.net/blogs/gospelprism/2006/07/08/cutting-off-your-limbs/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>TimK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotcha. Thanks for that explanation. That makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha. Thanks for that explanation. That makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.wccc.net/blogs/gospelprism/2006/07/08/cutting-off-your-limbs/#comment-253</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I believe Owen refers to Heb 6:4-6 which says:

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

I guess if you can parallel the falling away, the loss, and their rejection of repentance, which I think you can certainly make a case that all unrepented sin exactly is, then I believe Owen can actually make that claim.  Christ is being subjected to public disgrace and a re-crucifying when sin is wantonly flaunted and unrepented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I believe Owen refers to Heb 6:4-6 which says:</p>
<p>It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.</p>
<p>I guess if you can parallel the falling away, the loss, and their rejection of repentance, which I think you can certainly make a case that all unrepented sin exactly is, then I believe Owen can actually make that claim.  Christ is being subjected to public disgrace and a re-crucifying when sin is wantonly flaunted and unrepented.</p>
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		<title>By: TimK</title>
		<link>http://www.wccc.net/blogs/gospelprism/2006/07/08/cutting-off-your-limbs/#comment-252</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. Your #3 strikes me as odd for some reason. I tried to track it down to Rushing's rendition of Mortification, page 74, which seemed sparse. So I decided to see if an unabridged version was online; it is at http://www.ccel.org/o/owen/mort.xml. Here is Owen as he would read in the "authoritative" BT imprint - 

"The Lord Jesus Christ is wounded afresh by it; his new creature in the heart is wounded; his love is foiled; his adversary gratified. As a total relinquishment of him, by the deceitfulness of sin, is the 'crucifying him afresh, and the putting of him to open shame;' so every harbouring of sin that he came to destroy wounds and grieves him."

Compare "As a total relinquishment of him" to Rushing "If deceitful sin engulfs the will".

Both sound odd  for me.  At times Owen wrote against what he called "Papists". A belief that he probably would not hold to was the re-crucifixion of Christ at celebration of the Eucharist. Yet in saying that sin wounds Christ afresh, it sounds similar. Just some thinking I need to sort out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Your #3 strikes me as odd for some reason. I tried to track it down to Rushing&#8217;s rendition of Mortification, page 74, which seemed sparse. So I decided to see if an unabridged version was online; it is at <a href="http://www.ccel.org/o/owen/mort.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccel.org/o/owen/mort.xml</a>. Here is Owen as he would read in the &#8220;authoritative&#8221; BT imprint - </p>
<p>&#8220;The Lord Jesus Christ is wounded afresh by it; his new creature in the heart is wounded; his love is foiled; his adversary gratified. As a total relinquishment of him, by the deceitfulness of sin, is the &#8216;crucifying him afresh, and the putting of him to open shame;&#8217; so every harbouring of sin that he came to destroy wounds and grieves him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Compare &#8220;As a total relinquishment of him&#8221; to Rushing &#8220;If deceitful sin engulfs the will&#8221;.</p>
<p>Both sound odd  for me.  At times Owen wrote against what he called &#8220;Papists&#8221;. A belief that he probably would not hold to was the re-crucifixion of Christ at celebration of the Eucharist. Yet in saying that sin wounds Christ afresh, it sounds similar. Just some thinking I need to sort out.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I do agree.  Maybe because I didn't write out all that Owen has to say on each topic, it might seem empty.  For example, here's what he says about #4:

"His works, his endeavors, his labors, will seldom receive blessing from God.  He labours as though in the fire, without any success in his work!  The world is full of poor professors without reality.  How few are there that walk in beauty and glory!  How barren, and how useless are they for the most part!...Sin lies as a worm at the root of obedience and corrodes and waekns it day by day.  Al grace, ways and means whereby one might be improved are hindered by sin.  God blasts such men's efforts." (p. 75)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I do agree.  Maybe because I didn&#8217;t write out all that Owen has to say on each topic, it might seem empty.  For example, here&#8217;s what he says about #4:</p>
<p>&#8220;His works, his endeavors, his labors, will seldom receive blessing from God.  He labours as though in the fire, without any success in his work!  The world is full of poor professors without reality.  How few are there that walk in beauty and glory!  How barren, and how useless are they for the most part!&#8230;Sin lies as a worm at the root of obedience and corrodes and waekns it day by day.  Al grace, ways and means whereby one might be improved are hindered by sin.  God blasts such men&#8217;s efforts.&#8221; (p. 75)</p>
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		<title>By: TimK</title>
		<link>http://www.wccc.net/blogs/gospelprism/2006/07/08/cutting-off-your-limbs/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>TimK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, do you agree with Owen on the four points you list? I can see #1 and #2 but what about #3? Also, #4: "takes away" as opposed to "reduces"? What are your thoughts. You are further on in Owen that I am so please pontificate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, do you agree with Owen on the four points you list? I can see #1 and #2 but what about #3? Also, #4: &#8220;takes away&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;reduces&#8221;? What are your thoughts. You are further on in Owen that I am so please pontificate.</p>
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